Reporting and banning? - Guild Wars Forums

icon032 · Jul 27, 2005, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I was scammed in a droknar run. and i was wondering if you can get that person banned for scamming/not paying.

Aristotle · Jul 27, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59

I dunno but i was letting my friend play and the group went to UW. My friend takes off running aggroing all the atxe and the group was like your gonna get banned for screwing people up. I laughed needless to say.

Mark64uk · Jul 27, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

I got scammed about 1 hour ago in lions arch ive sent emails and screen shots in doubt anything will happen.Funny thing is me and a guild member have followed him for the last 30 mins by going in the disticts and adding his name to the party then you know where he is ect.

Mark

redsman1 · Jul 27, 2005, 02:11 AM // 02:11

ahh the old i let someone else play my character and they started doing stupid sh*t routine. nice try aristotle, at least you have one of your characters names posted. i can at least avoid that one if i see it around.

TeamEllis · Jul 27, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

Dude thats why they needa give people like us jobs to watch out for scams like that and deal ith it there and then. Also Jus send prove of his scaming and his character should get banned. Also try not to trade with people that arnt ure friends they could be stupid.

Darksci · Jul 27, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07

where you the guy who was scammed for 1.5K?

Shifty Geezer · Jul 27, 2005, 09:04 AM // 09:04

A friend, antisocial and not talking to people most of the time, broke the habits of a lifetime and traded, buying a Sword for 5k, only to find it was customized. Of course it's something that should be considered when buying, but it sucks big-time. We shouldn't need banning - we should have the option to follow that player and smack him up and nick all his gear

Banning is actually hard without proof. In this case he could easily be fairly banned as my friend had an item saying it was customized for someone else. If transactions were logged on the servers it'd be easy for a mod to force the transfer back, giving the scumball his lousy sword and refunding my mates cash.

Vhayr · Jul 27, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

Shifty, isn't that your friend's fault for not checking it first?

Shifty Geezer · Jul 27, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Yes and no. 'Let the buyer beware' of course, but on the other hand someone advertising a sword knowing knowone else can use it is a deliberate con. Plus a lot of people don't know about customization being limited. That was the first trade he'd ever done with anyone and it never occured to him to check that was an issue, no knowing customized gear was no use to him.

People that get suckered by con artists in real life (say phoney Gas-men reading the meter will someone else nicks the video) can be thought of as needing to be more careful, but at the end of the day it's the con artists fault.

Anyone deliberately misleading people to make money, even on a game, is up to mischief isn't contributing to a fun, pleasant environment.

dargon · Jul 27, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Your friend should have been more careful and will be in the future. That said, there is nothing wrong with selling a customized weapon because the customization doesn't keep you from salvaging it for raw materials. Sure you can't wield it, but it's pretty obvious when something has been customized, it's not like the seller could hide that.

Count Feanor · Jul 27, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

I'd say if you are doing runs to Droknar's or anywhere, to ask for the gold upfront because of scamming. If they don't want to do it oh well. I guess that might also be a potential for scamming as well. A lot of people take half the gold half-way to Droknars and the rest when they get there. I guess there really isn't a fool proof way of doing it. Always comes down to trust. Sucks.

Shifty Geezer · Jul 27, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Sure you can't wield it, but it's pretty obvious when something has been customized, it's not like the seller could hide that.

Though advertising "Sword 15-23 damage +Fire + blah blah 5k" without explicitly saying 'customized, cannot be used, only good for salvaging' is certainly being unfairly economical with the truth.

tegrof · Jul 27, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

my 2 cents on this thread.....

Someone used an example there of a phoney gas man or something. That's not a good comparison. A better comparison would be a group of Cubans trying to flee to America(God knows why anyone would want to live in the states). One person says "take me too please". He pays for his spot on the boat and as he walks down the dock to board the boat, it suddenly departs leaving him stranded in Cuba and now broke.

Does anyone see the problem here? You are trying to pay someone for something that isn't really meant for you to do in the game anyway. As for scamming in trade, I don't know how anyone can get scammed in trade as you can see what's in the window before you accept.

I myself hae been run to Droknars with my second character since I had the money to spend. Instead of getting scammed or scamming myself, I actually offered the person more than they asked for more incentive for them to not scam.

I feel that it's your choice to take out some of the challenge of the game by doing those drok runs, but you are still doing something in the game that really wasn't meant for you to do so if you get scammed doing it, you learn.

People that should be banned are botters, spammers and item hackers.

Just my thoughts.

Shifty Geezer · Jul 27, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

I presume when you say being scammed for something you're not supposed to do, you talking solely about Running, right? Or are you saying people should be trading items and my friend wouldn't have got scammed if he wasn;t doing something he shouldn't have??

SOT · Jul 27, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by tegrof

People that should be banned are botters, spammers and item hackers.

Running people to where they have not rightfully toiled to get is hacking them, an item, in game.

Running people past warp points for pay is clandestine economics ploy that is argued as being legit because "it is in the game". No, it is exploiting the code "of the game", just like "hacks, and bots", and is only "in the game" due to oversight on the part of ANET.

Semantics kill your arguments with your own comments.

Fye Duron · Jul 27, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Lol... First rule of Buying is look at the item before you buy it! Bottom like. As for being ran to the forge and getting riped off. Next time get a guildy to do it, or find someone that will except payment out side of the camp or outside of the forge. As an added note If you see a runner from the [TTT] guild you can trust them. They charge a standerd 2k do at Camp Ranik.

Fye Duron · Jul 27, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by SOT

Running people to where they have not rightfully toiled to get is hacking them, an item, in game.

SOT if Anet didn't want this to happen, then why did they leave the pass open? They could have left it closed off like the Desert, but choose to leave it open for people to use it. Just because you don't agree with running doesn't make it wrong.

sixdartbart · Jul 27, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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(God knows why anyone would want to live in the states)

. tegrof; It's called FREEDOM something that a diluted socialist Canadian could never understand. [note to American bashing Canadians] The only reason your country has not been invaded and quite easily conquered is that you are LUCKY enough to be located next to the USA.. Think about that before you take shots at my country... If you can read this message thank a teacher. If you can read this message in english thank a soldier!!!

Algren Cole · Jul 27, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

Yes and no. 'Let the buyer beware' of course, but on the other hand someone advertising a sword knowing knowone else can use it is a deliberate con. Plus a lot of people don't know about customization being limited. That was the first trade he'd ever done with anyone and it never occured to him to check that was an issue, no knowing customized gear was no use to him.

People that get suckered by con artists in real life (say phoney Gas-men reading the meter will someone else nicks the video) can be thought of as needing to be more careful, but at the end of the day it's the con artists fault.

Anyone deliberately misleading people to make money, even on a game, is up to mischief isn't contributing to a fun, pleasant environment.

so ignorance is a valid excuse for stupidity?

tegrof · Jul 27, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07

*****SECTION DELETED BY tegrof TO AVOID A FLAME WAR*******

except this part....

RELAX...and if you need it in soldier form....RELAX MAGGOT!

As for the trade thing, your friend should have looked at the item before hitting the accept button. That's hardly being scammed. He had every chance to look at the item before giving his money away. He just made a mistake that he won't make again.

Jul 27, 2005, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#1
icon032 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Reporting and banning? I was scammed in a droknar run. and i was wondering if you can get that person banned for scamming/not paying.

Jul 27, 2005, 08:07 PM // 20:07	#20
tegrof Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: is Canadian Profession: W/Mo	***SECTION DELETED BY tegrof TO AVOID A FLAME WAR***** except this part.... RELAX...and if you need it in soldier form....RELAX MAGGOT! As for the trade thing, your friend should have looked at the item before hitting the accept button. That's hardly being scammed. He had every chance to look at the item before giving his money away. He just made a mistake that he won't make again. Last edited by tegrof; Jul 27, 2005 at 08:15 PM // 20:15..

Jul 27, 2005, 01:59 AM // 01:59	#2
Aristotle Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Mo/R	I dunno but i was letting my friend play and the group went to UW. My friend takes off running aggroing all the atxe and the group was like your gonna get banned for screwing people up. I laughed needless to say.

Jul 27, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04	#3
Mark64uk Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: Mo/W	I got scammed about 1 hour ago in lions arch ive sent emails and screen shots in doubt anything will happen.Funny thing is me and a guild member have followed him for the last 30 mins by going in the disticts and adding his name to the party then you know where he is ect. Mark

Jul 27, 2005, 02:11 AM // 02:11	#4
redsman1 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	ahh the old i let someone else play my character and they started doing stupid sh*t routine. nice try aristotle, at least you have one of your characters names posted. i can at least avoid that one if i see it around.

Jul 27, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14	#5
TeamEllis Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	Dude thats why they needa give people like us jobs to watch out for scams like that and deal ith it there and then. Also Jus send prove of his scaming and his character should get banned. Also try not to trade with people that arnt ure friends they could be stupid.

Jul 27, 2005, 03:07 AM // 03:07	#6
Darksci Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Guild: Lords Of The Immortal [Loti] Profession: R/W	where you the guy who was scammed for 1.5K?

Jul 27, 2005, 09:04 AM // 09:04	#7
Shifty Geezer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Luckless Marauders [OOPS] Profession: E/Mo	A friend, antisocial and not talking to people most of the time, broke the habits of a lifetime and traded, buying a Sword for 5k, only to find it was customized. Of course it's something that should be considered when buying, but it sucks big-time. We shouldn't need banning - we should have the option to follow that player and smack him up and nick all his gear Banning is actually hard without proof. In this case he could easily be fairly banned as my friend had an item saying it was customized for someone else. If transactions were logged on the servers it'd be easy for a mod to force the transfer back, giving the scumball his lousy sword and refunding my mates cash.

Jul 27, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32	#8
Vhayr Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Guild: Malice Nights [MN] Profession: A/Me	Shifty, isn't that your friend's fault for not checking it first?

Jul 27, 2005, 10:59 AM // 10:59	#9
Shifty Geezer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Luckless Marauders [OOPS] Profession: E/Mo	Yes and no. 'Let the buyer beware' of course, but on the other hand someone advertising a sword knowing knowone else can use it is a deliberate con. Plus a lot of people don't know about customization being limited. That was the first trade he'd ever done with anyone and it never occured to him to check that was an issue, no knowing customized gear was no use to him. People that get suckered by con artists in real life (say phoney Gas-men reading the meter will someone else nicks the video) can be thought of as needing to be more careful, but at the end of the day it's the con artists fault. Anyone deliberately misleading people to make money, even on a game, is up to mischief isn't contributing to a fun, pleasant environment.

Jul 27, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26	#10
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Your friend should have been more careful and will be in the future. That said, there is nothing wrong with selling a customized weapon because the customization doesn't keep you from salvaging it for raw materials. Sure you can't wield it, but it's pretty obvious when something has been customized, it's not like the seller could hide that.

Jul 27, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32	#11
Count Feanor Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hellsing Organization or... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!! Guild: The Royal Priesthood Profession: N/W	I'd say if you are doing runs to Droknar's or anywhere, to ask for the gold upfront because of scamming. If they don't want to do it oh well. I guess that might also be a potential for scamming as well. A lot of people take half the gold half-way to Droknars and the rest when they get there. I guess there really isn't a fool proof way of doing it. Always comes down to trust. Sucks.

Jul 27, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56	#13
tegrof Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: is Canadian Profession: W/Mo	my 2 cents on this thread..... Someone used an example there of a phoney gas man or something. That's not a good comparison. A better comparison would be a group of Cubans trying to flee to America(God knows why anyone would want to live in the states). One person says "take me too please". He pays for his spot on the boat and as he walks down the dock to board the boat, it suddenly departs leaving him stranded in Cuba and now broke. Does anyone see the problem here? You are trying to pay someone for something that isn't really meant for you to do in the game anyway. As for scamming in trade, I don't know how anyone can get scammed in trade as you can see what's in the window before you accept. I myself hae been run to Droknars with my second character since I had the money to spend. Instead of getting scammed or scamming myself, I actually offered the person more than they asked for more incentive for them to not scam. I feel that it's your choice to take out some of the challenge of the game by doing those drok runs, but you are still doing something in the game that really wasn't meant for you to do so if you get scammed doing it, you learn. People that should be banned are botters, spammers and item hackers. Just my thoughts.

Jul 27, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12	#14
Shifty Geezer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Luckless Marauders [OOPS] Profession: E/Mo	I presume when you say being scammed for something you're not supposed to do, you talking solely about Running, right? Or are you saying people should be trading items and my friend wouldn't have got scammed if he wasn;t doing something he shouldn't have??

Jul 27, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#16
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	Lol... First rule of Buying is look at the item before you buy it! Bottom like. As for being ran to the forge and getting riped off. Next time get a guildy to do it, or find someone that will except payment out side of the camp or outside of the forge. As an added note If you see a runner from the [TTT] guild you can trust them. They charge a standerd 2k do at Camp Ranik.